Torpedo boats have all but disappeared today because they are entirely useless against modern fleets with aircraft cover. It doesn’t matter how nimble or quick you are in the water; you aren’t going to outrun a light carrier-based helicopter with anti-ship missiles and guns.

So, let me say this again. Torpedo ships were used against merchant ships. They were never (successfully) used against heavy ships like battleships. Why? Because that’s ludicrous, just like EVE.

Uhhhmmm there is indeed a fast and much smaller ship type what can “easily” destroy a big and bad (and old) battleship in real life. It’s called a torpedo boat, P-boat, or other name, depending on the country.
You are probably referring to ship types like light/heavy cruisers and other ships with guns as main weapons. Those would indeed have a hard time against battleships. So … not so much nonsense as you say it is :-)

The real issue is when you compare apples to apples. Given two players of equal skill and game knowledge, the player who has played the longest will invariably defeat someone who has played for a shorter period of time. That is, by definition, a geritocracy.

Oh, and if you’re going to bandy about such nonsense as “Battleships don’t take on smaller ships very well, as in real life,” it’s hard to take you seriously. Battleships in real life obliterated smallers ships with ease and had no issues against them whatsoever. Historically, battleships were lost not to smaller ships (LOL), but to either other battleships (e.g. Bismark sinking the HMS Hood) or by aircraft (Birmark, Tirpitz, Yamato, Musashi, and the American Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor).

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online

It seems like the two major arguments that people bring up are the skillpoints and the combat.

Firstly it is possible to have more skillpoints over all then someone who started out a year before you. It is quite easy, you carefully pick the skills that let you train others faster, use implants, etc. In short it is possible. Now even if that wasnt the case, the idea that someone older then you is going to kill you every time is so ridiculous, I find it extreamly hard to believe that anyone who says this has actually tryed the game. A three year old character can get their ass handed to them by a 6 month old character. Skillpoints dont always equate to combat skillpoints. Personaly I started life out as a miner, so alot of my training time was devoted to that.

As for the combat, I hear alot of people say that eve combat is decided only on the skill of the characters and the fittings. I agree to a certain extent. I cant pick a crap ship with my low skillpoint character and hope to take on an awesome 3 year old pro in his pimped ship. But then again I cant take a rowboat out and try to take down an aircraft carrier irl now can I? That being said money and skillpoints certantly do not mean nearly as much as you would think. Someone can get a 2 month old character in a ship that cost less then 5 mil and take down a 1 billion isk faction fit battleship with ease. Simply because Battleships dont take on smaller ships very well, as in real life.So yeah, its nice to have money and sp, but if you are retarded with it your going to get pwnd by some low sp nubbins.

Basicly before you all judge the game I hope you try it out in more then two aspects (mission running and mining). Join a corp (This is an MMO after all), try some PvP, or group PvE. It really makes all the difference. If at the end of it you still dont like it, then that is fair, it simply isnt for everyone. But dont bash the hell out of it just because you only played it for a few days. I wouldnt be playing this game if all there was to it was mission running and mining.

That’s bad game design. While it might be sufficient to string some of you along in the hopes that you’ll become ever more powerful through attrition, it doesn’t hide the poor design elements to those not hopelessly drawn in.

And honestly, Nicoli, what kind of argument is it to say that YOU have been playing for three years, so the game must have good points. I’m sure some deranged person out there eats dog shit for breakfast every day, but that doesn’t mean dog shit has redeeming breakfast qualities — it just means the person eating it has brain damage.

And just to add to your statistics, I run 11 accounts, 7 of which pay for all of them plus a little extra for the work ;)

WAR will improve on DAoC’s RvR formula, AoC sounds a bit like what Shadowbane tried to do. There’s room for both types of PvP gameplay but is there a market for yet another PvE game?

As long as developers don’t come up with with a PvE formula that radically differs from what EQ had to offer 8 years ago, there’s no need for another PvE game, at least not as long as WoW and EQ2 are still in business.

I’m not the greatest fan of PvP in MMORPGs but after almost 9 years of doing essentially the same PvE crap over and over again across man different games, I’m simply not interested anymore. Developers seem more inclined to innovate in PvP gameplay than PvE gameplay.

After growing weary of other MMOs and in part to the dedicated (and admittedly more mature) fanbase, I decided to give EVE another chance. While trying my hand at trading, I stumbled upon an advert for a well-known (and feared) pirate corporation. I decided to try for position.

The process of joining was very sophisticated. They were very wary of spies and saboteurs. Once I past several security checks and interviews, they let me join their newbie corporation. If I could earn my keep and prove my maturity, I would be allowed into the real corporation with access to their warehouses and knowledge of their 0.0 base of operations.

The vetting process was the most fun in EVE I had ever had. I love MMO PvP and yet I have never felt the thrill of combat like this until I ran ‘ops’ with these guys. All of the ops were tightly organized and highly professional. Voice communication, using teamspeak, was 100% required. The ops were fast-paced, precise, and brutally efficient. At times, my hands would shake, my heart would pound, and my brow would sweat at the anticipation of closing a trap, or breaking a 0.0 blockade. I thought, this must be the intensity and fun that everyone refers to regarding EVE.

I highly suggest that if you have not done so, do not ‘write-off’ EVE until you have joined an organized and professional corporation that shares your goals. It is impossible to realize the potential of EVE as a loner.

Unsure why a pot shot at WAR was needed, MMO’s having the date put back is hardly breaking news. Maybe a bit of sweating under the coller you think?

I’ve never personally looked forward to AoC that much, it just didn’t grip me and certainly didn’t make me think of Conan when I saw it.

I think AoC would have been better sold as a PvE game than anything, after all most people are more familiar with his films than anything and in that he was essentially a psychopathic burgler robbing big nasties of shiny daggers.

I don’t think I’ll end up going back. Vanguard has some problems that are probably unfixable. The combat system is deeply borked, the item system sucks and, most importantly, the game is and will always remain terribly unimmersive.

There’s no space anomaly to discover or mystery to unravel. Heck, there’s no aliens either and this is a space game! We are ALONE.